Talking Stick Golf Club Piipaash Course
Scottsdale, Arizona · 18 holes · par 71 · Public. Designed by Coore and Crenshaw, opened 1998.
A caddie's yardage book for every hole: plays-like distance from USGS lidar elevation, reach and carry numbers for every bunker and water hazard, green front, middle and back, which way each green falls, and the lay-up zone on par 5s. Distances are from the back tees along the mapped hole; for a shorter tee, take off the scorecard difference.
Course profile
- At about 1,310 ft the ball carries about 2% farther than at sea level, so a 150-yard shot plays like about 148. Golfers visiting from low elevation should expect to club down.
- Biggest climb: hole 5, where the green sits 11 ft above the tee and plays about 4 yards longer.
- Biggest drop: hole 16, where the green sits 7 ft below the tee and plays about 2 yards shorter.
- Driving-zone hazards sit on the right on 7 holes and on the left on 3: a tee shot missed right costs more here.
- 14 greens tilt 2% or more. Each hole below says which side of the hole leaves an uphill putt.
Maps: tee at the bottom, green at the top. The dashed line is the mapped hole; the gold band is the lay-up zone; the arrow on the green points downhill.
Scorecard
| Hole | Par | Hcp | Black | Gold |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 4 | 13 | 405 | 391 |
| 2 | 4 | 3 | 419 | 397 |
| 3 | 3 | 7 | 228 | 195 |
| 4 | 4 | 17 | 327 | 309 |
| 5 | 4 | 1 | 471 | 447 |
| 6 | 4 | 15 | 386 | 363 |
| 7 | 5 | 9 | 516 | 496 |
| 8 | 4 | 5 | 476 | 455 |
| 9 | 3 | 11 | 177 | 155 |
| 10 | 4 | 10 | 404 | 384 |
| 11 | 4 | 8 | 392 | 358 |
| 12 | 4 | 2 | 441 | 417 |
| 13 | 3 | 16 | 152 | 136 |
| 14 | 5 | 6 | 541 | 521 |
| 15 | 4 | 4 | 443 | 417 |
| 16 | 5 | 14 | 548 | 520 |
| 17 | 3 | 18 | 184 | 162 |
| 18 | 4 | 12 | 323 | 307 |
Tees
| Tee | Yards | Rating | Slope | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Black | Male | 6833 | 72 | 126 |
| Gold | Male | 6430 | 69.7 | 120 |
| Gold | Female | 6430 | 75.2 | 130 |
| Gold/Jade | Male | 6040 | 67.4 | 117 |
| Gold/Jade | Female | 6040 | 72 | 123 |
| Jade | Male | 5331 | 64.9 | 108 |
| Jade | Female | 5331 | 69.1 | 117 |
Hole 1 · Par 4
- Plays like
- 404-3 ft
- Green · Black tee
- 388 · 405 · 417front · middle · back
- Green size
- 29 × 21yards deep × wide
- Fairway
- 50 ydswide at 232
- Green slope
- 1.5%falls to the front-left
In play
- Bunker right: 238 to reach, 268 to carry
- Bunker front-left of the green
Playing notes
- Fairway bunkers on the right: 238 to reach, 268 to carry. Drives that finish short of 238 stay clear; otherwise the left side is the safer line off the tee.
- The fairway is about 50 yards wide at 232.
- The green is guarded on the left by bunkers; miss right.
- The green falls from back-right to front-left, about 1.5%. Finish on the front-left side of the hole for an uphill putt.
Hole 2 · Par 4
- Plays like
- 418-2 ft
- Green · Black tee
- 402 · 419 · 435front · middle · back
- Green size
- 33 × 22yards deep × wide
- Fairway
- 50 ydswide at 230
- Green slope
- 2.5%falls to the front-right
In play
- Bunker left: 185 to reach, 207 to carry
- Bunker left: 224 to reach, 245 to carry
- Bunker left: 297 to reach, 316 to carry
- Bunker right of the green
Playing notes
- Dogleg left at about 267 yards.
- Fairway bunkers on the left: 185 to reach, 316 to carry. Drives that finish short of 185 stay clear; otherwise the right side is the safer line off the tee.
- The fairway is about 50 yards wide at 230 and narrows to 40 at 200.
- The green is guarded on the right by bunkers; miss left.
- The green falls from back-left to front-right, about 2.5%. Finish on the front-right side of the hole for an uphill putt.
Hole 3 · Par 3
- Plays like
- 230+5 ft
- Green · Black tee
- 212 · 228 · 245front · middle · back
- Green size
- 35 × 27yards deep × wide
- Green slope
- 2.5%falls to the front
In play
- Bunker right: 156 to reach, 171 to carry
- Bunker across the hole in front of the green: 189 to carry
- Bunker left of the green
Playing notes
- The green is guarded on the left by bunkers; miss right.
- Bunkers short of the green; take enough club to carry it.
- The green falls from back to front, about 2.5%. Finish on the front side of the hole for an uphill putt.
- The green is 35 yards deep: a back pin can play about 2 clubs more than a front pin.
Holes 4 to 18
4 · Par 45 · Par 46 · Par 47 · Par 58 · Par 49 · Par 310 · Par 411 · Par 412 · Par 413 · Par 314 · Par 515 · Par 416 · Par 517 · Par 318 · Par 4
The rest of this guide has the same caddie detail for every hole:
- 14 plays-like yardages
- 58 hazards with reach and carry
- 14 green slope reads
- 3 par-5 lay-up zones
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Hole maps, hazards and playing notes come from mapped course data and USGS 3DEP elevation (public domain), not a visit. Plays-like numbers use the Skitty caddie's rule of one yard per 3 ft of rise, from the longest tee; altitude uses 1.16% of carry per 1,000 ft. Tees, hazards and conditions change; check with the course before you play. Map data © OpenStreetMap contributors (ODbL 1.0) via OpenGolfAPI. Scorecard yardages and ratings as published. See a mistake? Email [email protected].